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Couldn't agree less pm
but still the independent musician member should have a more say in the process
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May 23, 2011 | 1:51 pm |
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I am sorry if this statement marginalizes anyone's objection to the rules at this site.
This is a FREE and volunteer site. We get to share our music with our fellow composers whenever we want. I have been trying to publish/get airplay for my music since 1973. It was near impossible back then, and it was expensive, to record, and press a 45 back then. And then to get radio stations to play it....sheesh. I think some of us are a bit spoiled by the ease of it all now.
Thanks to The Administrators, Moderators, and Creators of this site.
Tom |
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May 23, 2011 | 2:45 pm |
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pinky what you say is very cool
(am for one like to really feel empowered as an artist here)
as the motto & the header of icompositions.com states
"empowering the independent musician"
which i really don't feel
maybe better change the header to state
"musicians get more exposure"
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"musicians air your tunes with us"
etc...
am just trying to make a point here as a member
too many things happened which i had no awareness of or a say at all just feel as an artist member could have played more positive role overall
i care for the well being and the reputation & the positive interactiveness among members here on icompositions
who knows i could have solved issues between two members
but didnt have a chance
Am simply shocked to hear this happened to this member
& this happened to that from the outside
It leaves bad vibes, bad memoirs & feelings
especially when those members are friends
I hope you dig what i say
Am just being argumental to what macoco started herein his very meaningful topic that is "why moderators are hated here"
Am trying to understand the why & discussing it |
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May 23, 2011 | 3:09 pm |
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besides i hate no one here
in fact i like lots more
(if i didnt really care i wouldnt be interacting or responding at all) |
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May 23, 2011 | 3:12 pm |
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Haven't a clue what all this is about, but I was in real world management for years and to maintain authority one cannot be "a good friend" to anyone they are assigned to manage. They may be kind, civil, and yes, sometimes they must remind one of the rules and if the rule breaker continues, fire them. On a computer site, I suppose that would mean ban them. It is not OK for moderators to play favorites, even if they do like someone more than others. Moderators are human. Everyone should have read the terms of agreement, the rules, before they became a member. We, in order to be here as part of this community have a responsibility to follow them. I am sorry if we have lost someone's unique talents. Make it less about the personal and more about the content and quality of the blog, the music, the forum. I'm not paying a dime to be here. I didn't start this site, nor do I own it. I don't get a say. Period. I'm fine with that. |
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May 23, 2011 | 3:34 pm |
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Luna where is my salary
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May 23, 2011 | 4:19 pm |
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Yes, Omar I do dig what you say, and I am saddened by the fact that I will not be able to collaborate with these fine composers.
That being said....
What you suggest would be a democratic structure and process, which has been proven over and over again to be unwieldy in a business model.
The 'benevolent dictator' is an impossible position to fill. |
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May 23, 2011 | 4:25 pm |
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My 2 cents.
I'm so weary of the ongoing debate and challenges levied towards the mods and pm.
Being a member of icomps is a choice. Do you want to be here?
Being a member of icomps is a privilege that should not be taken for granted.
Whatever you do as a member of icomps IMHO: the bottom line is, you as an individual are responsible for what you say and how you behave and to what ability you can co exist in a global community that has rules.
We don't live in a me, me, me, society. There must be rules, and not only must there be rules, they must be enforced. I don't see any mod favoritism or any kind of mod abuse of power. Rather, I see it the other way.
Could you imagine a thread similar to this that read: "Why does everybody hate policemen?" or "Why does everybody hate stop signs, or traffic laws, or gravity! Darn gravity...always keeping me down!" I have found that people don't 'not like' something unless they are on the wrong side of that something.
I'm done now. EDIT: I forgot to add that I trust the mods to do their jobs. If they have determined it necessary to ban someone, I believe they have ample reason to do so. I don't question it. I trust the mods and pm to be fair and just. If anything, I find the mods and pm extremely patient. Much more patient than I would be for sure.
Still smiling!! |
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May 23, 2011 | 4:31 pm |
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Ok one last stand defense on what i believe a more proper approach
to tackle the drama & to maintain a real cool reputation of this site
(this is in response to you pinky)
1- this site should bring in & support musicians
(the notion of banin' should be banned & dropped out, suspension is more appropriate if really needed)
2- members are part of this site they should be informed of the good & the bad on some notice board , it's very degrading to hear about the issues from outside
(secrecy in the action is very misleading & confusing)
better approach is transparency
3- off course there should be moderators, policemen or women to enforce the peace
4- members musicians are humans too with feelings & i know very well how moody, how sensitive & how un predictable artists can be, they should be reminded always to keep their focus positive on their music & not be penalized as per the TOS's
because paragraph 3 section 2a states so & so
damn it we are not in a court room here
5- i like to hear other members opinions & ideas
pinky i've been runing a successful cigar club with 250 members
for years now, am the managing director of this club lounge & shop with 20 plus employees
music always been a passion for me
icompositions i share much of my time & i like to see it up in the best picture
i don't like to see any of its genuine members leave with a bad sentiment or a mistreat
i have nothing else to say or add
i shall leave this blog now in peace
again i was just tackling the very meaningful topic that macoco
addressed here
"why moderators are hated at icomposition"
the address tells me something that there is something wrong
that need reflection & rectification |
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May 23, 2011 | 6:08 pm |
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I think it's important to point out that account terminations are exceptionally rare. We believe that permanently terminating an account is very extreme and the iCompositions team works very hard to avoid it whenever possible.
We have active dialogues with members for days, weeks, and even months to try and correct the behavior that violates the site's rules. In all but the most egregious situations, members receive many warnings and brief suspensions before we are compelled to resort to account terminations. Every single former member mentioned previously in this thread was warned countless times about their behavior. At some point, though, it becomes clear that they simply aren't willing to follow the rules. |
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May 23, 2011 | 6:24 pm |
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Hear, hear! |
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May 23, 2011 | 7:13 pm |
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And I think it is also important to point out that privacy is a big issue with us. Perhaps there is a cultural difference at play here with RT, but we will not discuss details of any dialogues, agreements, etc. out of courtesy to all the people involved in the issue. You do not have the right to hear all about what happens or is told to us in private discussion. We take this very seriously. We will never discuss what is told to us privately or talked about in the process. I don't think you're going to find much agreement here from people that we should share their private discussions with you or the rest of iCompositions.
If someone wants to provide details themselves, then that is their choice. And as long as revealing the details doesn't affect other people in the dispute, then we usually just let it go. If revealing the details affects the other people in the dispute, you can be certain another warning will be issued at the least. |
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May 23, 2011 | 7:21 pm |
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For what it's worth, I've seen other forums where moderator disputes are handled publicly. Three things happen:
1. The people who get suspended or banned still think it's unfair, still complain bitterly, still tell all their friends that they were treated unjustly, and so on. This is just human nature -- no-one likes to be told they can't get what they want, and they'll strike back when hurt.
2. Some people still complain about authority and resent any attempt to apply and enforce rules of conduct. They believe that they should be free to use the site's facilities to do whatever they want, no matter how threatening, abusive or harassing. They also still complain about things happening behind the scenes, because moderators have private thought processes that happen in their head which members aren't privy to, and no matter how much explanation anyone gives it's always possible to twist that person's words to mean something else.
3. Thrashing out all these issues in public results in a peanut gallery of malicious individuals who like to jeer at people involved in disputes, air their grudges when their enemies cross a line, and generally stir up even more trouble. It's a pretty unappealing sight.
And if you want an example of a site that's completely unmoderated, just go and read YouTube comments for an hour.
Honestly, when I first became a moderator, I wasn't sure about the policy of conducting our dealings in private. I believed public justice to be a fairer, more open way of going about things. But several years and dozens of examples have convinced me that it's the better way. Airing dirty laundry in public just leads to problems carrying on for much, much longer and aggravating more people, and that isn't why we're here -- at least, it shouldn't be why we're here.
We should be here to make and share music with one another, not to pick fights or rail against the 'authority' of a handful of volunteers trying to keep one small corner of the internet a pleasant, family-friendly environment.
Believe me when I say that I much prefer helping people out with using different features of the site or doing clever things with music software than trying to resolve disputes between two individuals, one of whom will nearly always walk away from the dispute feeling aggrieved because the decision didn't go their way. Every single time we try to find a solution which resolves the dispute between both parties, and sometimes we're successful, but when we aren't someone walks away with a grudge -- and, of course, you only ever get to hear in public from the people with axes to grind.
What's hardest for me is to sit quietly when people misrepresent their dealings with the mods -- when we've put in days, weeks or months of effort to try to negotiate a solution that makes everyone happy and it doesn't work out, then the injured party turns around and tells all their friends 'The mods banned me FOR NO REASON and it's so unfair!' But because we respect the privacy of all iCompositions members, past and present, we don't share the details of what actually happened.
Such is life.
Right. Does anyone want some help with their music software now?
-Eido |
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May 24, 2011 | 2:13 am |
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Cuz they hate everyone? |
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May 24, 2011 | 7:09 am |
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Hmm, I just read the whole thread & I seem to understand everyone from what there saying into there own perspective.
Yes sometimes The Moderators seem to act as if they were the lineal descendant of Soviet Union  . (So they say lol)
Could be the case to others or not.
I had my trouble with The Mod's and they should of got rid of me ages ago lol but eh. Though with my experience, It seems the Mod's are a bit cowardly when someone is breaking the rules,they seem to just get you from behind & report the issue with the PM & some Mod's like to mock you and act like without Icomps you got no where to go to show your music (this is where you go lol  ).
But The Mod's have patients for others. If they didn't they would ban every new member that joins icomps due to plugging.
The people that do come here need to come in a mature friendly manner. Though that's not the case cause were not in a perfect world . With that the mods need to do there job & "Give Justice" to those that can't seem to civil themselves.
In a community like this, We are going to have different types of people.
1.The ones that kiss *** or suck up (lol) or hide behind the mods.
2.The rebels where they like to ignore rules but manage to stay around .
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3.The neutral people the ones where they just don't get involve.
It's like a balance, So you have to give the Mods and Admins some slack but only a necessary amount .
Though I understand where RT is coming from. I myself am sad that some member's left but perhaps its best for them to get out of the icomp shell and go look for other sites to have another experience.
I don't normally get involve into things like this but When someone mentions a subject that has the words "Why do people hate moderators?" maybe just maybe the mods are possibly doing something bad. Not saying they are its just a maybe issue.
lol Though in my opinion, People shouldn't make any reference to anything during a discussion like this, cause if you do that's just a automatic cue for a fight or just asking for more hate. If you don't got anything good to say just shut yo face . please and thank you
(There is a difference between Generalizing & prevaricating)
Here are my questions for everyone
@offbalance
You said "Luckily 95% or more of the people here don't do things like that and tend to have a great time sharing, collaborating, and learning."
How accurate is this? I'm curious?
@RetroTrend, Dude I understand your upset that some of our good & favourite composers have left (or have been forcedly escorted or ban whichever way you want to say it lol) but have you ever though that maybe there probably better off somewhere else or maybe there happy that there gone? I understand that your upset about certain situations with the mods and there decisions but sadly enough your only limited.
@LindaHaarberg Just don't bother. >.<
@To all mods & Admins.
Do you guys ever feel like you've abused your God-like Moderation powers?
I've been a mod a couple times before & sometimes I've felt like that. I guess the phrase is untouchable or you only use it to make peace.
That is all . Sorry for being blunt >.< Ban me if necessary XD lol  |
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May 24, 2011 | 2:26 pm |
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