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Was thinking of buying Komplete 8 to go with logic 9 but it seems a bit redundant.Logic comes with a wealth of instruments already. Any thoughts?
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Jan 17, 2012 | 4:16 am |
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01-17-12 / USA!
"A painting in a museum hears more ridiculous opinions than anything else in the world."
(Edmond de Goncourt)~
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@ inspiredbeats:
I recently installed Komplete 8 Producer in my multi- keyboard studio without any regrets. From that perspective, I have options to build custom virtual synth and sampler modules with it (if I like).
In your case, you need to understand that something like Komplete 8 by Native Instruments offers a whole lot more than just VST a/o VSTi plug ins for soft-synth. So, from a Producer's point-of-view, you can also use it as lightly or heavily as you like to build a/o play things and still get awesome results in a Mix.
I've listened to some of your "very nice" music and I think if you are into Sax VST patches, Komplete 8's Kontakt Factory Library would be very appealing for you. There are some pretty awesome horn sounds in there (including a variety of sax & scale registries that articulate various embouchure techniques that were sampled by real human wind players).
Here is a Forum discussion I searched out for you from one of the Yamaha keyboard sites I am a member in. I think you will be able to identify with a lot of the first time users to Komplete 8 who are commenting about it there:
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/456526/#519443
If you like, you may also listen to my first test mix for Komplete 8 I'm showing iCompers as of 01-16-12:
I Saw Her Dawing There (5:35)-
http://www.icompositions.com/music/song.php?sid=173823
As a bundle pack, Komplete 8 will also save you tons of money instead of trying to buy all the offered components separately.
The Big deal is the Kontakt 5 and Reaktor 5.6 Graphic Modular Studio Players. That's where the real action truly begin that makes DAW Studios like Logic 9
(and other platforms) come out "more alive' than ever thought possible before.
BoOm!
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Jan 17, 2012 | 6:57 am |
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| inspiredbeats wrote: | Was thinking of buying Komplete 8 to go with logic 9 but it seems a bit redundant.Logic comes with a wealth of instruments already. Any thoughts?
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It is a bit redundant but Komplete 8 "Ultimate" has some special perks, when you add all the extras that could be worth it. I have Komplete 7 and I'm jealous of all that 8 has including the mixing and mastering plug-ins, but I haven't upgraded. Having said that, you can actually create instruments with logics ex24, Sculpture and Ultra beat. So it would just depend on what your preferences are, and how much more you need. The upgrade for me is a lot cheaper than paying for it out right and still a lot cheaper than buying a new keyboard. Logic has drop to $200 so if I'd had to choose one or the other it would be logic.
Another perspective is if you can actually play multi-instruments. I can so a lot of 7 or 8 I wouldn't use a lot but if you don't man it's a keyboardist or producers dream to have some of the players they have on board are worth it just for them. Even though I like Komplete 8 ultimate, I feel it's a bit pricey and I could buy an iPad2 or 3 and get GB for $5 dollars along with some other killer apps and just midi everything into Komplete 7 or logic instruments and still have a couple hundred bucks left over. So really it depends on you, your budget, needs and wants. Go to Native instruments website check out all the videos and audio on it, then check youtube for people who actually have it and are using it not the native instrument guys. Then make a decision for yourself because our opinions are based on our wants and needs as well. PeAcE
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Jan 17, 2012 | 12:39 pm |
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I feel that Komplete 8 Ultimate has everything a producer needs to perform from tools like Massive to Maschine. These tools seem full to the brim, and with the whole set, the options seem endless. Now, as for logic 9, I feel that all apples DAWs such as GB and Logic are too limiting. I don't know what it is about them, but the user interface, midi usage (ways to use the midi) and the instruments themselves all seem to restrictive for what I hope to do in the future.
Komplete 8 Ultimate, although expensive, is definitely worth the pay, and I don't think you will be disappointed. Also, I am not sure if NI's Razor is included with the K8 Ultimate, but if it isn't, I would also recommend getting that one too.
In the end, I guess it all boils down to what you are looking at using the program for. All DAWs are better than others at some specific thing from live performances, to movie soundtracks.
I've really enjoyed songs that are full of "classical" and cinematic that have been made by Logic (listen to becwil's music. You would know what I mean), however, I've heard amazing electronic performances by DJs and producers who use Komplete 8 Ultimate (Such as Skrillex, I know a lot of people hate his music, and a lot love it, but I just think it's amazing how he gets his music to sound the way it does. I believe he uses Massive and recently is using Razor...).
Bottom line, I would say that Komplete 8 Ultimate is the better choice just because I'd say you get more "bang for your buck". |
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Jan 17, 2012 | 11:50 pm |
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This has been very helpful. Logic has a lot of nice tools but it could be better. I have researching komplete for a while and I did get komplete elements just to check it out. Kontakt player is great. It also comes with a scaled down version of VSL orchastral. I'm almost sure that it would complete my rig.
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Jan 18, 2012 | 12:49 am |
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Logic at $200 is way more bang for the buck, Komplete needs a daw to record and keep it in the digital realm even as a stand alone that seems more limiting to me, and Machine is not part of Komplete 8. Now GB is limited but atleast you can record and I do feel there is a lot people don't realize how or what logic can do but $1000 bucks for Komplete 8 and it needs a daw to record even if you had Machine which is another $600 you still need a Daw to record vocals... Now I like Komplete but it's no way in the world it's more bang for the buck to me. Logic can do way more than just classical especially electronica. With the Efm1, es1, es2,esE, esM, esP, you have the ability to make sounds never heard before just requires tweaking and the same goes with Sculpture & Ultra beat. I like massive but it's more preset oriented to me, they are pretty good presets and samples. Now I'm speaking from the perspective of if you don't have either but inspiredbeats has it so that's a different story.
It would be interesting to hear what logic can't do for you DJ_Siatt maybe there is a way and we just haven't found it. |
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Jan 18, 2012 | 1:26 am |
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| hiphopmoses wrote: | Logic at $200 is way more bang for the buck, Komplete needs a daw to record and keep it in the digital realm even as a stand alone that seems more limiting to me, and Machine is not part of Komplete 8. Now GB is limited but atleast you can record and I do feel there is a lot people don't realize how or what logic can do but $1000 bucks for Komplete 8 and it needs a daw to record even if you had Machine which is another $600 you still need a Daw to record vocals... Now I like Komplete but it's no way in the world it's more bang for the buck to me. Logic can do way more than just classical especially electronica. With the Efm1, es1, es2,esE, esM, esP, you have the ability to make sounds never heard before just requires tweaking and the same goes with Sculpture & Ultra beat. I like massive but it's more preset oriented to me, they are pretty good presets and samples. Now I'm speaking from the perspective of if you don't have either but inspiredbeats has it so that's a different story.
It would be interesting to hear what logic can't do for you DJ_Siatt maybe there is a way and we just haven't found it. |
I think bottom line for me is Ableton. Imo, Ableton lie can do anything and everything I have imagined up. As for logic 8, I've spent countless hours at Guitar Center (recording room) and messed around with Logic 9. It is a pretty decent program, but I hvent heard of anyone doing live DJ performances with it or, what I'm mor interested in, is Sound Design. I know that it can create new sounds and such, but I've tried to make a simple sound effect for a movie or something, which was a laser gun shot. Ya know, a charge up, then a huge ringing BOOM sounding laser shot? I've been trying to create one for ages. I've made a suitable one with ableton, but even the guys at GC who use logic can't figure out how to make one, one suggested to start off by stretching a Ride drum sound and piling on the effects, but it doesn't sound clear, smooth, and natural. With Razor and Massive, there are so many different ways to make what I'm after, and I've seen someone do it to show me, but no one I know can seem to make one in Logic 9. Again, it truly is all about a matter of opinion and whatnot. I like a simple, easy and yet deeply sophisticated DAW like ableton, plus an infinite amount of plugins from either atmospheric space sounds, to hardcore Electronica. I know FL is big on Electronica, but that thing is nearly impossible to figure out. I manage to make a 4 measure drum beat and make a little animated person dance to it. But FL is another story.
It's hard to decide between either Logic 9 or Komplete 8 "ultimate", but the things that I would seriously take into account is if you have a DAW or not, and what you are looking for the software to do. |
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Jan 18, 2012 | 2:09 am |
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I have used logic since logic 7 back in 2005 and I've probably composed 1000 tracks and counting with it. It is a beautifal DAW with beatiful instruments. The quesition really is does Komplete offer some more or just pretty much the same. Is Absynth better than the es2 or sculpture. Is Kontakt player better than EXS 24 sampler. They both come with a ton of synths, classical instruments and orchastral sounds. Komplete does have the VSL orchastra which is probably better than the sounds in the EXS 24.
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Jan 18, 2012 | 2:53 am |
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A great place to also talk about this would be on Naitive Instruments forum pages about products or something... |
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Jan 18, 2012 | 3:42 am |
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Well DAW verses DAW is a different subject which will boil down to individual taste. I like Ableton as well I don't use it as much as logic because I feel it has limitation once you step out of the loop sequencing. But it does make Dj style and loop sequencing pretty drag and drop fast, but to score a film or do vocals with it slows me down. But I do like it better than FL, I use Cubebase as well which is a nice daw sorta a combo of Abelton & Logic. Sonar is pretty good as well as Digital performer, again I believe it's which one helps your work flow the best.
I was mainly talking about bang for your buck and that anything costing $1000 compared to $200 should not need a Daw, if the $200 is a Daw.
Now to the point of will it add something absolutely as stated earlier just for the players meaning you get a great drummer from "studio drummer" a guitarist from "Scarbee Funk Guitarist"
you get a great keyboardist from George Duke Soul Treasures, as a producer I would get it just for those. Reactor, the finger & mouth etc. are icing on the cake to me. It also has some serious compressors and mic pres added along with strings which all are better than Logics imo. So if you have $1000 bucs for ultimate I would say yes get it. But I would get it more based on what's mentioned above and for actually going to use features rather than for sounds or a particular sound you can get sounds & samples off the internet for free let alone the ones you can buy or make yourself.
I have every Waves, T-Racks, Spectronics, Rob Papen, Tone2, Nexus, Lennar digital, Gforce, along with quite a few other
plug-ins including Komplete7 so at this point everything is redundant and I can search a directory for an hour for just one sound for a song that'll take 5 mins to make, you don't want that either. I think most who buy Komplete8 ultimate will be happy oh yeah and it's huge as well 5g just for the app, add another 195-240g which you still have to install to internal or external drive. |
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Jan 18, 2012 | 11:24 am |
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Went to guitar center today and played around with it. The VSL orchastra samples are nice. It's not really price that the issue it's 240 gig it takes up on your hard drive. I do have komplete 7 elements so I have all the players. I also have big fish urban rig, and first call horns which are kontakt players. I also have some Aturia stuff , miroslav philharmonic , realstat and some other virtual instruments plus all of the logic stuff. NI has made an offer that most people can't refuse. There are some other instrumental NI that I want but I don't need the whole package. But its a much better deal to get the whole package.
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Jan 20, 2012 | 12:41 am |
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